tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post7891736155396612837..comments2024-03-28T03:10:23.679-07:00Comments on Polemarch: The English IslesThe Polemarchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10958736917525649927noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-80317642783578763462021-04-12T02:06:14.588-07:002021-04-12T02:06:14.588-07:00Well, the Normans did attempt to take over the kno...Well, the Normans did attempt to take over the known world - France, England, Italy, Antioch... If they hadn't have fought amongst themselves they might have been dangerous.The Polemarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10958736917525649927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-87338500382818224632021-04-10T03:46:52.787-07:002021-04-10T03:46:52.787-07:00Ohhhh - an 'extended Viking civil war'. No...Ohhhh - an 'extended Viking civil war'. Now there's a premise for a book sir!Duc de Gobinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10668407600014604176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-84643909182661993912021-04-08T02:15:29.919-07:002021-04-08T02:15:29.919-07:00I think it references a historiographical debate a...I think it references a historiographical debate about the extent of Anglicisation across the British Isles as a geographical entity. The answer seems to be 'not as much as you might have thought'.The Polemarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10958736917525649927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-850953297253533742021-04-08T02:14:29.610-07:002021-04-08T02:14:29.610-07:00Yes, the Lord of the Isles is interesting, but I a...Yes, the Lord of the Isles is interesting, but I admit to a lack of facility with Gaelic names, so I find it darn confusing...<br />I think it is a matter of degree of Hibernicisation. All sorts of currents are present, but I think that, in general, the Norman nobility who crossed the Irish Sea became the Anglo-Irish, owning the lands and intermarrying with other Anglo-Irish. They seem to have been identifiable as such in the C16 & 17. It is a matter in part of culture - you could marry a nice Irish lady but remain culturally Anglo-Irish (and call your children Anglo-Norman rather than Irish names).<br />Yes, the castles are Norman colonialisation, but then so are the castles in England, The role, meaning and symbolism of the castle are a topic in themselves. Even the location of them is contested..<br />Perhaps we should simply regard the whole era from 792 - 1085 and beyond an extended Viking civil war...The Polemarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10958736917525649927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-82173957070758780262021-04-07T10:29:49.980-07:002021-04-07T10:29:49.980-07:00Interesting choice of title.Interesting choice of title.nundankethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-15359765965345438002021-04-07T09:02:16.336-07:002021-04-07T09:02:16.336-07:00Very interesting. The Lord of the Isles section re...Very interesting. The Lord of the Isles section reminds me a lot of the McDonnell's ancestry - that's worth a look in itself, and outlines the degree of movement and trade between Scotland and Ireland across centuries.<br />Also interesting to note the Irish detail - I had it in my head that the Normans were 'Hibernicised' largely - and I do seem to remember a connection with 'Strongbow' in the 11th century (maybe?).<br />Most Irish castles are born of Norman (dare I say) 'colonialism'.<br />'Hibernicisation' seems to thrive century after century - first Norman, then Old English (which is where Tyrconnel and his ilk come from in the C17th). Clearly, it must be Irish women at work ;) (I know I succumbed to one LOL).<br /><br />And if the Normans are descended from Vikings..then...wait, another rabbit hole...Duc de Gobinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10668407600014604176noreply@blogger.com