tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post353230970640507530..comments2024-03-28T03:10:23.679-07:00Comments on Polemarch: Government, Religion and SocietyThe Polemarchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10958736917525649927noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-30039347138883846802021-08-02T01:47:51.428-07:002021-08-02T01:47:51.428-07:00The Normans, or Anglo-Normans are fascinating, and...The Normans, or Anglo-Normans are fascinating, and I keep being tempted.<br /><br />Clitheroe seems to be 'decisive' because it established Scottish rule down to the Ribble / Mersey area, and then permitted David to start obtaining influence in the Skipton lordship (it is complicated) The Standard was a defensive English victory which did not really change the strategic outlook - the Scots were still to the north and west and could press again on Yorkshire.The Polemarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10958736917525649927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-32090336365443169212021-07-31T22:18:11.192-07:002021-07-31T22:18:11.192-07:00Very interesting, many thanks. I don't unders...Very interesting, many thanks. I don't understand the thrust of the argument about Clitheroe though: how could that battle have more permanent and decisive consequences than the subsequent battle? I am not disputing the contention, I just don't understand the mechanism.<br /><br />The whole 'Norman' period is one I find fascinating, and have armies for: I think that (like the Wars of the Roses) I play it less than I might due to a bit of scepticism about the rules on offer.JWHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637785437909299947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-67802207322985745912021-07-31T08:15:57.957-07:002021-07-31T08:15:57.957-07:00Yes indeed, the border didn't stabilise until ...Yes indeed, the border didn't stabilise until the later 12th Century, I think. As to 'tartanisation' ,probably not. David I was very keen on the Anglo-Norman thing so we'd probably have got an attenuated Angevin state based on London and Normandy and a Scotland based on Edinburgh and York. Interesting to speculate, however.The Polemarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10958736917525649927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5185876513552272723.post-23812656743567039202021-07-31T08:12:50.060-07:002021-07-31T08:12:50.060-07:00I never knew that about Scotland nearly ‘nabbing’ ...I never knew that about Scotland nearly ‘nabbing’ most of northern England. I knew SE Scotland used to be Northumbrian in an earlier period. Just shows what a shifting thing national identity is, even in the oldest ‘nation states’. <br />Wonder if it had happened if we’d have still seen what Rory Stewart called the ‘tartanisation’ of south and east Scotland or if the balance of cultures would have meant something else emerged from the mix of Anglo, Norse, Brythonic, Gaelic, and Pictish.nundankethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12895608927860103442noreply@blogger.com